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		<title>By: Mark T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this post is entirely correct.</description>
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		<title>By: Bond newbie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bond newbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 04:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Smaghi (and, I guess, by extension, jck, since s/he posted such a long extract) should consider one other counterfactual beyond &quot;what if LEH had been saved&quot;?

&quot;What if Bear Stearns had been allowed to fail?&quot; My answer: firms would&#039;ve gotten their financial houses in order 6 months earlier, with house prices 10% higher, and capital still available. Instead, we get moral hazard run rampant, as firms avoid painful capital raisings just as they kept the plates spinning in late 2007 just long enough to snag humongous bonuses.

Of course, investing and economics are both social sciences (or at least social arts), so we can&#039;t re-run history to verify either counterfactual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Smaghi (and, I guess, by extension, jck, since s/he posted such a long extract) should consider one other counterfactual beyond &#8220;what if LEH had been saved&#8221;?</p>
<p>&#8220;What if Bear Stearns had been allowed to fail?&#8221; My answer: firms would&#8217;ve gotten their financial houses in order 6 months earlier, with house prices 10% higher, and capital still available. Instead, we get moral hazard run rampant, as firms avoid painful capital raisings just as they kept the plates spinning in late 2007 just long enough to snag humongous bonuses.</p>
<p>Of course, investing and economics are both social sciences (or at least social arts), so we can&#8217;t re-run history to verify either counterfactual.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 02:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Economics is complicated. Someone once said this about life. I think that partly at least it is complicated because people make it so.

However in my opinion in a fair society economics would be much simpler. Private businesses could be considered inappropriate mechanisms to control money. The nature of money has always been maluable but has become far to broadly defined. 

Money should be restored to the service of the economy away from something which is being used to distort the economy. The function of money to serve the economy has been kidnapped by the central banks and governments and put to the task of trying to make people happy. The finance community has happily colluded and made themselves very happy in the process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Economics is complicated. Someone once said this about life. I think that partly at least it is complicated because people make it so.</p>
<p>However in my opinion in a fair society economics would be much simpler. Private businesses could be considered inappropriate mechanisms to control money. The nature of money has always been maluable but has become far to broadly defined. </p>
<p>Money should be restored to the service of the economy away from something which is being used to distort the economy. The function of money to serve the economy has been kidnapped by the central banks and governments and put to the task of trying to make people happy. The finance community has happily colluded and made themselves very happy in the process.</p>
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		<title>By: pater tenebrarum</title>
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		<dc:creator>pater tenebrarum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 23:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>where you err is in the assumption that the crash in equities and seizure of the financial system were a direct result of NOT rescuing Lehman. 
the crash and seizure would have happened in any event (people would have identified a different &#039;trigger&#039; and you&#039;d write about that now). in fact, something that has been overlooked by many is that the &#039;effectiveness&#039; of various interventions in terms of &#039;calming the markets&#039; has progressively decreased the more frequent and sizeable those interventions became.  
when the treasury nationalized the GSEs, the markets managed a tiny bounce before resuming their slide, and the AIG bail-out was greeted similarly. the $700 BILLION (really, $850 billion) bank rescue package was greeted with a crash. note that prior, during, and after the crash, central banks have intervened in the markets to an unprecedented extent. the Federal Reserve is now backstopping the entire commercial paper market, all money market funds, all (still extant) broker dealers, and has exchanged the bulk of its portfolio of treasury bonds for mortgage backed garbage from the banks, while pumping up the monetary base at a 130% annualized rate. 
no political consultation was necessary to do this. essentially, central banks have pulled out all the stops, and the markets have still crashed. according to the interventionist economic doctrines that are (for reasons unknown) so fashionable these days, the allegedly impossible has happened.  no-one has stopped to ask why the very same interventions could not stop Japan&#039;s economy from unraveling, or could not alleviate the economic downtrun of the 1930&#039;s (contrary to popular lore, Hoover was the greatest fiscal interventionist the US had seen up to that point in time, and the Fed expanded free bank reserves and the monetary base by over 400% in the three years after the great crash. none of it worked, and then FDR intervened even more, and it didn&#039;t work either). 
so let us for a moment consider the opposite view point -  markets have not suffered a seizure because government decided to not intervene in the single case of Lehman - they have had a seizure because government did intervene in all other cases. 
this may sound counter-intuitive, but only if you fail to consider the economics behind it. government does not possess any resources, or any capital of its own. it has to TAKE those resources from producers of wealth. so when government moves to prop up failed enterprises, it can only do so by removing capital and resources from those sectors of the economy which are still healthy, since those are by definition the only places where such resources  still exist. 
as a result, these interventionist activities make the economic situation actually worse on an important structural level. the markets intuitively &#039;know&#039; this, even though only very few people actually spell it out.  during the boom, resources were misallocated on a massive scale, and capital was actually consumed. the only way for the economy to right itself is a period during which the capital structure is rearranged and repaired. misallocated capital needs to be liquidated and/or redirected. the government&#039;s interventions hamper and delay this process, while weakening the remaining producers of wealth concurrently. as a result, the bust is now getting worse than it would have been without such interventions. 
in a nutshell, the very thing you are crtitical of - the decision to let a single one of the investment banks fail - was probably the ONLY thing government did so far in the course of the crisis that was the correct thing to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>where you err is in the assumption that the crash in equities and seizure of the financial system were a direct result of NOT rescuing Lehman.<br />
the crash and seizure would have happened in any event (people would have identified a different &#8216;trigger&#8217; and you&#8217;d write about that now). in fact, something that has been overlooked by many is that the &#8216;effectiveness&#8217; of various interventions in terms of &#8216;calming the markets&#8217; has progressively decreased the more frequent and sizeable those interventions became.<br />
when the treasury nationalized the GSEs, the markets managed a tiny bounce before resuming their slide, and the AIG bail-out was greeted similarly. the $700 BILLION (really, $850 billion) bank rescue package was greeted with a crash. note that prior, during, and after the crash, central banks have intervened in the markets to an unprecedented extent. the Federal Reserve is now backstopping the entire commercial paper market, all money market funds, all (still extant) broker dealers, and has exchanged the bulk of its portfolio of treasury bonds for mortgage backed garbage from the banks, while pumping up the monetary base at a 130% annualized rate.<br />
no political consultation was necessary to do this. essentially, central banks have pulled out all the stops, and the markets have still crashed. according to the interventionist economic doctrines that are (for reasons unknown) so fashionable these days, the allegedly impossible has happened.  no-one has stopped to ask why the very same interventions could not stop Japan&#8217;s economy from unraveling, or could not alleviate the economic downtrun of the 1930&#8242;s (contrary to popular lore, Hoover was the greatest fiscal interventionist the US had seen up to that point in time, and the Fed expanded free bank reserves and the monetary base by over 400% in the three years after the great crash. none of it worked, and then FDR intervened even more, and it didn&#8217;t work either).<br />
so let us for a moment consider the opposite view point &#8211;  markets have not suffered a seizure because government decided to not intervene in the single case of Lehman &#8211; they have had a seizure because government did intervene in all other cases.<br />
this may sound counter-intuitive, but only if you fail to consider the economics behind it. government does not possess any resources, or any capital of its own. it has to TAKE those resources from producers of wealth. so when government moves to prop up failed enterprises, it can only do so by removing capital and resources from those sectors of the economy which are still healthy, since those are by definition the only places where such resources  still exist.<br />
as a result, these interventionist activities make the economic situation actually worse on an important structural level. the markets intuitively &#8216;know&#8217; this, even though only very few people actually spell it out.  during the boom, resources were misallocated on a massive scale, and capital was actually consumed. the only way for the economy to right itself is a period during which the capital structure is rearranged and repaired. misallocated capital needs to be liquidated and/or redirected. the government&#8217;s interventions hamper and delay this process, while weakening the remaining producers of wealth concurrently. as a result, the bust is now getting worse than it would have been without such interventions.<br />
in a nutshell, the very thing you are crtitical of &#8211; the decision to let a single one of the investment banks fail &#8211; was probably the ONLY thing government did so far in the course of the crisis that was the correct thing to do.</p>
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		<title>By: slumlord</title>
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		<dc:creator>slumlord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jck:

&lt;i&gt;it seems to me that the slow response of the authorities has a lot to do with the mess we find ourselves in&lt;/i&gt;

No one can accuse Ben and Jean of being stingy with the cash, they have opened the spigots wide, and the public have reluctantly accepted that it was the right thing to do. Furthermore they have been quick to the mark in handing out cash to all and sundry for the crappiest of collateral. If this was a liquidity problem, as in a run, the problem would be over. 

The government can&#039;t fix this mess, it only drags out the inevitable and at probably greater cost. This current state of affairs will drag out till asset values reflect reality, losses are acknowledged and written down, and massive amounts of capital are transferred from taxpayer to the financial system (since of course the consequences of letting anyone fail would be far too horrible). The bill to the taxpayer for this clean up is going to result in a raise in taxes, at the same time the baby boomers start ramping up their claims on the social security system. There&#039;s a lot more pain coming and when its over, it wont be business as usual 2006. Lending criteria will be far more stringent. The cheap money is gone. The business structure based on it&#039;s premise, is now imploding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jck:</p>
<p><i>it seems to me that the slow response of the authorities has a lot to do with the mess we find ourselves in</i></p>
<p>No one can accuse Ben and Jean of being stingy with the cash, they have opened the spigots wide, and the public have reluctantly accepted that it was the right thing to do. Furthermore they have been quick to the mark in handing out cash to all and sundry for the crappiest of collateral. If this was a liquidity problem, as in a run, the problem would be over. </p>
<p>The government can&#8217;t fix this mess, it only drags out the inevitable and at probably greater cost. This current state of affairs will drag out till asset values reflect reality, losses are acknowledged and written down, and massive amounts of capital are transferred from taxpayer to the financial system (since of course the consequences of letting anyone fail would be far too horrible). The bill to the taxpayer for this clean up is going to result in a raise in taxes, at the same time the baby boomers start ramping up their claims on the social security system. There&#8217;s a lot more pain coming and when its over, it wont be business as usual 2006. Lending criteria will be far more stringent. The cheap money is gone. The business structure based on it&#8217;s premise, is now imploding.</p>
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		<title>By: jck</title>
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		<dc:creator>jck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 10:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slumlord:
&quot;Recapitalise the financial structure, take ownership, fire the crew.&quot;
I agree, but this thing has been going for over a year now, it seems to me that the slow response of the authorities has a lot to do with the mess we find ourselves in. As for banks or  leveraged entities in general, not one of them can survive a run no matter how well they are managed, you can&#039;t hedge against a run, that&#039;s why we have central banks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slumlord:<br />
&#8220;Recapitalise the financial structure, take ownership, fire the crew.&#8221;<br />
I agree, but this thing has been going for over a year now, it seems to me that the slow response of the authorities has a lot to do with the mess we find ourselves in. As for banks or  leveraged entities in general, not one of them can survive a run no matter how well they are managed, you can&#8217;t hedge against a run, that&#8217;s why we have central banks.</p>
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		<title>By: slumlord</title>
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		<dc:creator>slumlord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 03:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry jck, but had Lehman&#039;s brother financial institutions been in good shape, there would have been pain, but not the current financial agony. Saving Lehman would have bought time, but eventually another financial disaster would have came along and what then? bail everyone out, which is pretty much what is happening now.

&lt;i&gt;For the ayatollahs of moral hazard point of view, that’s a good thing, but it is generally accepted in the literature that crisis time is no time for morality lessons.&lt;/i&gt;

No, it&#039;s not time for a morality lesson. But Paulson&#039;s initial proposal of &quot;give me $750 billion, no strings attached&quot; was plainly idiotic, congress would have been negligent in passing it. It recapitalized the financial institutions and left the clowns who ran this circus in place. By all means you should put out the fire, but you don&#039;t let the arsonist off Scott free, or more importantly &quot;compensate&quot; his bad behaviour. Moral Hazard can be addressed imperfectly during a crisis. Recapitalise the financial structure, take ownership, fire the crew. 



Risk premiums are now going to reflect financial and political reality. Are you proposing that risk premiums be based on the assumption, that there are financial institutions that are too big to fail, and hence all risk premiums should be sovereign risk? Risk premiums priced on the Soviet model of financial governance?

The underlying assumption  of Lorenzo&#039;s friends, is that it is possible to stop a Ponzi scheme from unwinding, and that there is a &quot;right&quot; way to do it. Let&#039;s hope that he is right and I&#039;m wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry jck, but had Lehman&#8217;s brother financial institutions been in good shape, there would have been pain, but not the current financial agony. Saving Lehman would have bought time, but eventually another financial disaster would have came along and what then? bail everyone out, which is pretty much what is happening now.</p>
<p><i>For the ayatollahs of moral hazard point of view, that’s a good thing, but it is generally accepted in the literature that crisis time is no time for morality lessons.</i></p>
<p>No, it&#8217;s not time for a morality lesson. But Paulson&#8217;s initial proposal of &#8220;give me $750 billion, no strings attached&#8221; was plainly idiotic, congress would have been negligent in passing it. It recapitalized the financial institutions and left the clowns who ran this circus in place. By all means you should put out the fire, but you don&#8217;t let the arsonist off Scott free, or more importantly &#8220;compensate&#8221; his bad behaviour. Moral Hazard can be addressed imperfectly during a crisis. Recapitalise the financial structure, take ownership, fire the crew. </p>
<p>Risk premiums are now going to reflect financial and political reality. Are you proposing that risk premiums be based on the assumption, that there are financial institutions that are too big to fail, and hence all risk premiums should be sovereign risk? Risk premiums priced on the Soviet model of financial governance?</p>
<p>The underlying assumption  of Lorenzo&#8217;s friends, is that it is possible to stop a Ponzi scheme from unwinding, and that there is a &#8220;right&#8221; way to do it. Let&#8217;s hope that he is right and I&#8217;m wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: nnyhav</title>
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		<dc:creator>nnyhav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 01:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lehman was allowed to go under because Lehman was playing every systemic aspect it could to its own advantage; Treasury would not and could not permit this to go on, whether or not Lehman&#039;s circumstances were dire enough to warrant such behavior. Treasury and Fed were invested with limited powers that Lehman was willing to push the envelope on. Recall also the reports that KDB walked after Lehman added further conditions to their deal. The Treasury decision can be defended not only ex ante but also ex post: an orderly unwind of CDS was their highest concern, but other considerations don&#039;t appear to have been neglected. Investors in Lehman paper were also culpable: AIG was going past the brink anyway, and that Reserve Primary MMF broke the buck demonstrated a risk concentration that should have been unacceptable. The crisis was exacerbated into full panic by Congressional delay as indicated (House Republicans first forcing weekend renegotiation and then reneging on the deal), requiring a much broader response (ambiguous language that the Senate clarified on the floor as pertaining to equity stakes).

When management&#039;s priority is maximising profits and shareholders’ interests at the expense of the stability of a sector of systemic importance to the functioning of the economy, such as the financial sector, and distorting the efficient allocation of resources within the economy, the objective function must be broad enough to address this problem of rules, incentives and individual responsibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lehman was allowed to go under because Lehman was playing every systemic aspect it could to its own advantage; Treasury would not and could not permit this to go on, whether or not Lehman&#8217;s circumstances were dire enough to warrant such behavior. Treasury and Fed were invested with limited powers that Lehman was willing to push the envelope on. Recall also the reports that KDB walked after Lehman added further conditions to their deal. The Treasury decision can be defended not only ex ante but also ex post: an orderly unwind of CDS was their highest concern, but other considerations don&#8217;t appear to have been neglected. Investors in Lehman paper were also culpable: AIG was going past the brink anyway, and that Reserve Primary MMF broke the buck demonstrated a risk concentration that should have been unacceptable. The crisis was exacerbated into full panic by Congressional delay as indicated (House Republicans first forcing weekend renegotiation and then reneging on the deal), requiring a much broader response (ambiguous language that the Senate clarified on the floor as pertaining to equity stakes).</p>
<p>When management&#8217;s priority is maximising profits and shareholders’ interests at the expense of the stability of a sector of systemic importance to the functioning of the economy, such as the financial sector, and distorting the efficient allocation of resources within the economy, the objective function must be broad enough to address this problem of rules, incentives and individual responsibility.</p>
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		<title>By: bidu</title>
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		<dc:creator>bidu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 22:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the typical technocratic jargon of an illiterate academic-bureaucrat. If this guy had studied more his classics, Marx and Smith, or even Stuart Mill, and less bullshit of pseudo scientists from economic department, he may have  explained the obvious, meaning the political bias of decisions, in five lines. In that case of course he wouldn&#039;t be sweating for the ECB.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the typical technocratic jargon of an illiterate academic-bureaucrat. If this guy had studied more his classics, Marx and Smith, or even Stuart Mill, and less bullshit of pseudo scientists from economic department, he may have  explained the obvious, meaning the political bias of decisions, in five lines. In that case of course he wouldn&#8217;t be sweating for the ECB.</p>
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		<title>By: jck</title>
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		<dc:creator>jck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 22:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t speak for Lorenzo, but saving Lehman would have cost perhaps $100 bn instead we get trillions of losses and no end in sight, PLUS you will get higher risk-premiums in the future since now, we know that a large, systemically important can fail. 
For the ayatollahs of  moral hazard point of view, that&#039;s a good thing, but it is generally accepted in the literature that crisis time is no time for morality lessons. In any case, the U.S. is likely to suffer some consequences like towards a new bretton woods and less access to strangers&#039; bag of savings.
I am not sure that whoever took that decision, thought it through, assuming it was a decision and not the  the result of impotence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t speak for Lorenzo, but saving Lehman would have cost perhaps $100 bn instead we get trillions of losses and no end in sight, PLUS you will get higher risk-premiums in the future since now, we know that a large, systemically important can fail.<br />
For the ayatollahs of  moral hazard point of view, that&#8217;s a good thing, but it is generally accepted in the literature that crisis time is no time for morality lessons. In any case, the U.S. is likely to suffer some consequences like towards a new bretton woods and less access to strangers&#8217; bag of savings.<br />
I am not sure that whoever took that decision, thought it through, assuming it was a decision and not the  the result of impotence.</p>
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